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		<title>By: David Truss</title>
		<link>http://kwhobbes.edublogs.org/2007/06/22/im-an-unqualified-teacher/comment-page-1/#comment-2237</link>
		<dc:creator>David Truss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jun 2007 11:48:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: my comment above.
Oops, the smiley face with sunglasses was actually,
&quot;...just after 8&quot; with an end-bracket &#039;)&#039; after it. An 8 with a bracket after it is a shortcut I have never used before. 8)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: my comment above.<br />
Oops, the smiley face with sunglasses was actually,<br />
&#8220;&#8230;just after 8&#8243; with an end-bracket &#8216;)&#8217; after it. An 8 with a bracket after it is a shortcut I have never used before. <img src='http://kwhobbes.edublogs.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_cool.gif' alt='8)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: David Truss</title>
		<link>http://kwhobbes.edublogs.org/2007/06/22/im-an-unqualified-teacher/comment-page-1/#comment-2236</link>
		<dc:creator>David Truss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jun 2007 11:40:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kelly, your kids are missing out on nothing meaningful. A comedy network has a motto of &quot;Time well wasted,&quot; I would argue that 90% of TV is just &#039;time wasted&#039;. 
TV isn&#039;t a cultural icon, it isn&#039;t a portal of information, it is low-brow entertainment. Ever watch the news on TV? That&#039;s not news, it is World Crisis Watch. It is a kid falling into a well in Iowa, a flood in Bangladesh, and political upheaval in Sierra Leone... oh, and one &#039;feel-good&#039; story right after the National weather, like I care that it is going to rain in Halifax when I live in Vancouver.
- - - -
I have a confession to make: I like watching Ultimate Fighting. However, when I try to pick up a fight I wanted to see on Youtube (another confession: the fight would more than likely be illegally downloaded), and I end up seeing a post of a fight between two kids at neighboring schools... a fist fight no less, tagged on Youtube as &#039;Ultimate Fighting&#039; (and it has been watched thousands of times) it really makes me shake my head. I can watch a cage match and tell you that I have never in 40 years got into a fight... and that I don&#039;t practice the moves I see on friends or unsuspecting students... but I see the negative effects of some of these shows on our younger generation.
Excuse my language but &#039;most&#039; television is absolute crap! Just about every Reality TV show all but requires participants to back-stab, trash-talk, or compromise their integrity to some extent... and ratings are through the roof!
Then my students come in to school the next day and talk about the worst-of-the-worst, they aren&#039;t watching the Discovery Channel!  
And don&#039;t get me started on commercials! When commercials come up every 12 minutes, and last for 3+ minutes, and this pattern is followed for 3-6 hours in a night (by many students), what does that do to their attention span? At least a video game can engage them for hours, TV&#039;s 12 min. blocks have the potential to make any kid seem ADD, (no, I&#039;m not going to quote any research here, just sharing my observations as a classroom teacher).
My own kids watch TV (confession #3: sometimes they watch too much), but when I am in the kitchen and I hear my 7 year old, holding the remote, say to my 5 year old, &quot;We can&#039;t watch this, it&#039;s not appropriate,&quot; I have to smile. If our kids get up before us on a weekend (they were up at 7am this morning and my wife and I rolled out of bed just after 8) it is a coin toss as to whether the TV is on or off. Today they had their Polly Pockets out... no TV. &#039;Should&#039; my kids watch less TV? Probably. 
Would my kids be &#039;losing out&#039; if I got rid of this low-brow entertainment? No. Confession #4: All that would be lost would be a free babysitter when I go out to cut the lawn.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kelly, your kids are missing out on nothing meaningful. A comedy network has a motto of &#8220;Time well wasted,&#8221; I would argue that 90% of TV is just &#8216;time wasted&#8217;.<br />
TV isn&#8217;t a cultural icon, it isn&#8217;t a portal of information, it is low-brow entertainment. Ever watch the news on TV? That&#8217;s not news, it is World Crisis Watch. It is a kid falling into a well in Iowa, a flood in Bangladesh, and political upheaval in Sierra Leone&#8230; oh, and one &#8216;feel-good&#8217; story right after the National weather, like I care that it is going to rain in Halifax when I live in Vancouver.<br />
- &#8211; - -<br />
I have a confession to make: I like watching Ultimate Fighting. However, when I try to pick up a fight I wanted to see on Youtube (another confession: the fight would more than likely be illegally downloaded), and I end up seeing a post of a fight between two kids at neighboring schools&#8230; a fist fight no less, tagged on Youtube as &#8216;Ultimate Fighting&#8217; (and it has been watched thousands of times) it really makes me shake my head. I can watch a cage match and tell you that I have never in 40 years got into a fight&#8230; and that I don&#8217;t practice the moves I see on friends or unsuspecting students&#8230; but I see the negative effects of some of these shows on our younger generation.<br />
Excuse my language but &#8216;most&#8217; television is absolute crap! Just about every Reality TV show all but requires participants to back-stab, trash-talk, or compromise their integrity to some extent&#8230; and ratings are through the roof!<br />
Then my students come in to school the next day and talk about the worst-of-the-worst, they aren&#8217;t watching the Discovery Channel!<br />
And don&#8217;t get me started on commercials! When commercials come up every 12 minutes, and last for 3+ minutes, and this pattern is followed for 3-6 hours in a night (by many students), what does that do to their attention span? At least a video game can engage them for hours, TV&#8217;s 12 min. blocks have the potential to make any kid seem ADD, (no, I&#8217;m not going to quote any research here, just sharing my observations as a classroom teacher).<br />
My own kids watch TV (confession #3: sometimes they watch too much), but when I am in the kitchen and I hear my 7 year old, holding the remote, say to my 5 year old, &#8220;We can&#8217;t watch this, it&#8217;s not appropriate,&#8221; I have to smile. If our kids get up before us on a weekend (they were up at 7am this morning and my wife and I rolled out of bed just after <img src='http://kwhobbes.edublogs.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_cool.gif' alt='8)' class='wp-smiley' /> it is a coin toss as to whether the TV is on or off. Today they had their Polly Pockets out&#8230; no TV. &#8216;Should&#8217; my kids watch less TV? Probably.<br />
Would my kids be &#8216;losing out&#8217; if I got rid of this low-brow entertainment? No. Confession #4: All that would be lost would be a free babysitter when I go out to cut the lawn.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Meyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Meyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jun 2007 09:28:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m done with this conversation on my blog.  You&#039;ve become flagrantly abusive &lt;a href=&quot;http://blog.mrmeyer.com/?p=267&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;there&lt;/a&gt; (but just in a teasing way, right?) and I refuse to host a mele&#233;.  This is also my last reply to you here.

Despite my best efforts not to indict you personally, you&#039;ve made this whole issue about a personal choice you&#039;ve made for yourself and your family, despite my repeated assurances that nothing you or I do in our homes has any bearing on this matter.

The point which eludes you, the point which I&#039;ve repeated so often that &lt;em&gt;I&#039;m&lt;/em&gt; bored with it is that, yes, you can talk about a medium you don&#039;t personally engage but it&#039;s difficult — nigh impossible — to have any meaningful discussion about moderation &amp; discernment (to speak nothing about more proactive approaches to television) if, in the back of your head, all you&#039;d really like to see is the extermination of the medium.  Essentially, this comes down to the underlying motivations for your lifestyle choice and &lt;em&gt;not&lt;/em&gt; the lifestyle choice itself.

You&#039;ve tried to squeeze my argument into that box (&quot;Dan thinks I&#039;m a bad teacher because my family and I don&#039;t watch t.v.&quot;) because it&#039;s easier to play the martyr than engage a tricky issue that pre-dates both your career and my birth (the predisposition of teachers towards books and away from t.v., when moderation and discernment are &lt;em&gt;essential&lt;/em&gt; for interacting with both).

After every comment you&#039;ve left me, I&#039;ve tracked back here, opened your &quot;All About Me&quot; page, and become alarmed all over again that this intellectually inflexible position, that these digressive, dismissive, and snide posts, come not just from a teacher, but from a principal.

Yours has not been a proud moment for blogging.  But what&#039;s utterly great and completely poignant about this situation is, just as there are edifying &amp; unedifying blogs on the Internet, so there are unedifying &amp; edifying books, songs, movies, speech, and t.v.  These empty vessels are what we make of them.  As teachers, we&#039;ve been graanted more control over that process than the average citizen.  That&#039;s really special.  That&#039;s not a privilige I&#039;ll ever take lightly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m done with this conversation on my blog.  You&#8217;ve become flagrantly abusive <a href="http://blog.mrmeyer.com/?p=267" rel="nofollow">there</a> (but just in a teasing way, right?) and I refuse to host a mele&eacute;.  This is also my last reply to you here.</p>
<p>Despite my best efforts not to indict you personally, you&#8217;ve made this whole issue about a personal choice you&#8217;ve made for yourself and your family, despite my repeated assurances that nothing you or I do in our homes has any bearing on this matter.</p>
<p>The point which eludes you, the point which I&#8217;ve repeated so often that <em>I&#8217;m</em> bored with it is that, yes, you can talk about a medium you don&#8217;t personally engage but it&#8217;s difficult — nigh impossible — to have any meaningful discussion about moderation &amp; discernment (to speak nothing about more proactive approaches to television) if, in the back of your head, all you&#8217;d really like to see is the extermination of the medium.  Essentially, this comes down to the underlying motivations for your lifestyle choice and <em>not</em> the lifestyle choice itself.</p>
<p>You&#8217;ve tried to squeeze my argument into that box (&#8221;Dan thinks I&#8217;m a bad teacher because my family and I don&#8217;t watch t.v.&#8221;) because it&#8217;s easier to play the martyr than engage a tricky issue that pre-dates both your career and my birth (the predisposition of teachers towards books and away from t.v., when moderation and discernment are <em>essential</em> for interacting with both).</p>
<p>After every comment you&#8217;ve left me, I&#8217;ve tracked back here, opened your &#8220;All About Me&#8221; page, and become alarmed all over again that this intellectually inflexible position, that these digressive, dismissive, and snide posts, come not just from a teacher, but from a principal.</p>
<p>Yours has not been a proud moment for blogging.  But what&#8217;s utterly great and completely poignant about this situation is, just as there are edifying &amp; unedifying blogs on the Internet, so there are unedifying &amp; edifying books, songs, movies, speech, and t.v.  These empty vessels are what we make of them.  As teachers, we&#8217;ve been graanted more control over that process than the average citizen.  That&#8217;s really special.  That&#8217;s not a privilige I&#8217;ll ever take lightly.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephanie Sandifer</title>
		<link>http://kwhobbes.edublogs.org/2007/06/22/im-an-unqualified-teacher/comment-page-1/#comment-2234</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephanie Sandifer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jun 2007 05:53:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kelly --

The entire time I was reading this post I kept thinking about the issue of teaching kids that drugs are bad (even if we have never tried them ourselves) as a parallel to what you were saying here.  I was happy to see that you made that connection at the end of your post.

I haven&#039;t been following this whole line of dialogue across the blogs, but I did read this post with great interest and I do agree with you.  Your personal lifestyle choices should not determine your quality as a professional.  If that were the case, then our field would be sorely lacking in &quot;highly qualified professionals&quot;.  

Stephanie</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kelly &#8211;</p>
<p>The entire time I was reading this post I kept thinking about the issue of teaching kids that drugs are bad (even if we have never tried them ourselves) as a parallel to what you were saying here.  I was happy to see that you made that connection at the end of your post.</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t been following this whole line of dialogue across the blogs, but I did read this post with great interest and I do agree with you.  Your personal lifestyle choices should not determine your quality as a professional.  If that were the case, then our field would be sorely lacking in &#8220;highly qualified professionals&#8221;.  </p>
<p>Stephanie</p>
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		<title>By: Vicki Davis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vicki Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jun 2007 05:31:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe that we all have to make the best decision we can for our own families.  We limit the shows that our family can watch -- every &quot;new&quot; type of show has to be &quot;mother approved&quot; and we limit the amount of time that they spend.  I would argue that no TV would be better than TV with no limits.  However, as with everything, limits are important as is moderation -- I mean too much water can kill you (it is called hypoxia.)

I believe that each person has a right to decide as a parent what is best for their own child.  I think that listening to different sides of a debate doesn&#039;t mean you have to go out at watch adult movies (your blog wouldn&#039;t take the other word) to talk about the ill effects of it, that is ludicrous.  

However, listening means listening to differing points of view, without giving up one&#039;s right to have an opinion.  You&#039;ve listened and have your opinion -- I&#039;d rather have people with opinions and directions for their family than people who abdicate their parenting to the boob toob -- that is not parenting at all.

So, I guess I&#039;m not sure that the quote from my blog is correctly applied.  Listening to viewpoints and immersion are two different things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe that we all have to make the best decision we can for our own families.  We limit the shows that our family can watch &#8212; every &#8220;new&#8221; type of show has to be &#8220;mother approved&#8221; and we limit the amount of time that they spend.  I would argue that no TV would be better than TV with no limits.  However, as with everything, limits are important as is moderation &#8212; I mean too much water can kill you (it is called hypoxia.)</p>
<p>I believe that each person has a right to decide as a parent what is best for their own child.  I think that listening to different sides of a debate doesn&#8217;t mean you have to go out at watch adult movies (your blog wouldn&#8217;t take the other word) to talk about the ill effects of it, that is ludicrous.  </p>
<p>However, listening means listening to differing points of view, without giving up one&#8217;s right to have an opinion.  You&#8217;ve listened and have your opinion &#8212; I&#8217;d rather have people with opinions and directions for their family than people who abdicate their parenting to the boob toob &#8212; that is not parenting at all.</p>
<p>So, I guess I&#8217;m not sure that the quote from my blog is correctly applied.  Listening to viewpoints and immersion are two different things.</p>
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