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		<title>By: kwhobbes</title>
		<link>http://kwhobbes.edublogs.org/2007/04/05/techno-teaching/comment-page-1/#comment-1189</link>
		<dc:creator>kwhobbes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Apr 2007 15:29:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Janet,
The comment from one student was &quot;No wonder everyone in the 80&#039;s did drugs?&quot; She was watching the video to Uptown Girl by Billy Joel. It is pretty bad! Outside of school these kids spend most of their time hanging out, working, driving around or some such activity. They game a bit but are not &quot;hard core&quot; and, for most their moto might be, &quot;We&#039;re here for a good time not a long time&quot; . I&#039;m just trying to find something that will allow them to tell their story. Sometimes I wish I could try the whole adult thing. Maybe someday! Thanks for the comment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Janet,<br />
The comment from one student was &#8220;No wonder everyone in the 80&#8217;s did drugs?&#8221; She was watching the video to Uptown Girl by Billy Joel. It is pretty bad! Outside of school these kids spend most of their time hanging out, working, driving around or some such activity. They game a bit but are not &#8220;hard core&#8221; and, for most their moto might be, &#8220;We&#8217;re here for a good time not a long time&#8221; . I&#8217;m just trying to find something that will allow them to tell their story. Sometimes I wish I could try the whole adult thing. Maybe someday! Thanks for the comment.</p>
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		<title>By: kwhobbes</title>
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		<dc:creator>kwhobbes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Apr 2007 15:25:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pam,
I thought about the commercial or a short service announcement. I may just have to change things a bit depending on how the practicing goes. We are doing some practice videos and adding some sound. I&#039;ll gage how they are doing from there. Thanks for the idea and comment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pam,<br />
I thought about the commercial or a short service announcement. I may just have to change things a bit depending on how the practicing goes. We are doing some practice videos and adding some sound. I&#8217;ll gage how they are doing from there. Thanks for the idea and comment.</p>
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		<title>By: kwhobbes</title>
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		<dc:creator>kwhobbes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Apr 2007 15:20:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Diane. Those are great ideas. I will give them a try. It is always difficult to get these students to give input but it never hurts to ask! I like the idea of having someone else be the audience. That might even lead into a discussion of performance assessment. Thanks! And thanks for the comment!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Diane. Those are great ideas. I will give them a try. It is always difficult to get these students to give input but it never hurts to ask! I like the idea of having someone else be the audience. That might even lead into a discussion of performance assessment. Thanks! And thanks for the comment!</p>
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		<title>By: Diane Hammond</title>
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		<dc:creator>Diane Hammond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Apr 2007 00:09:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Kelly, I&#039;ve never commented on your blog before, although I&#039;ve enjoyed &quot;reading you&quot; for a couple of months now. So, first of all I&#039;d like to say &quot;hi&quot; from my home office in Collingwood, Ontario. (I have been an elementary school teacher for more than 25 years and have been a curriculum consultant for a large school board in Ontario. I am currently Curriculum Consultant for the YES I Can! Science Project at McMaster University. I&#039;m also the originator and administrator of the Ontario Blogs project. Enough for the intro!)

Unfortunately like most of us reading this, I too, can picture the class you are describing; I can see their faces and read their body language... I&#039;m also sure from reading your blog that you have tried a variety of approaches with these kids.

One of my very first principals taught me a valuable lesson about working with &quot;difficult&quot; students. He passed away on Friday so I&#039;ve been thinking about him a lot this weekend. The thing that stands out most in my mind about his leadership style was his emphasis on the student. At times frustrating, at times incomprehensible, his message was always consistent. The answer to a student&#039;s misbehaviour, poor attitude, or lack of achievement is within the student...the curriculum is within the student...the way to success can be found within the student... So what the heck does that mean?

I think it ties directly to what you already said: &quot;They feel no one is listening to them&quot;. Furthermore, everything in school is &quot;done&quot; to them - rules, rewards, punishments, assignments, marks, passing, failing...

One would hope that learning to use, combine, design and create media products would be a &quot;carrot&quot; to bring the students closer to enthusiastic response/engaged learning. I think part of the problem is that although the &quot;carrot&quot; may be new and desirable, the same old &quot;stick&quot; is lurking in the background. 

Why are they doing this? You are assigning it.
Who are they doing it for? You.
What&#039;s the risk? They are being asked to take a &quot;topic that they have a passion about&quot;, and create a product that will be judged. If the product is found &quot;wanting&quot;, are their ideas, feelings, passions &quot;wanting&quot;?
What&#039;s the payoff? A mark.

Could this become an &quot;un-assignment&quot;, where maybe every person in the class ends up with a completely different performance assessment?
Could the whole process be designed collaboratively with the students from the ground up? 

With the students:
-Talk about what you&#039;ve been learning in class. Identify/ break down the skill set.
-Discuss all the possible ways to demonstrate mastery of the skill set.
-Identify potential mentors/experts to help out. Create a plan for contacting/engaging the services of those mentors.
-Identify audiences for performance assessments/ products that would appeal to chosen audiences/ ways to reach target audiences.
-Describe success. What does it look like? What are the criteria? Even if the &quot;wheels fall off&quot; and an end product is not achieved, how can evidence of learning be identified?
-How will the results be communicated? This is the hardest part, because the part of this process that is out of everyone&#039;s control is the report card. So, I guess the guiding question would be, how can we translate the results in a way that is compatible with the report card?

I suspect if you hit the students with all of these questions at once, you&#039;ll be greated with the same apathy, (man, this sounds like even more work). Are any of these ideas helpful?

Good luck with the class, and let us know what happens.

Diane</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Kelly, I&#8217;ve never commented on your blog before, although I&#8217;ve enjoyed &#8220;reading you&#8221; for a couple of months now. So, first of all I&#8217;d like to say &#8220;hi&#8221; from my home office in Collingwood, Ontario. (I have been an elementary school teacher for more than 25 years and have been a curriculum consultant for a large school board in Ontario. I am currently Curriculum Consultant for the YES I Can! Science Project at McMaster University. I&#8217;m also the originator and administrator of the Ontario Blogs project. Enough for the intro!)</p>
<p>Unfortunately like most of us reading this, I too, can picture the class you are describing; I can see their faces and read their body language&#8230; I&#8217;m also sure from reading your blog that you have tried a variety of approaches with these kids.</p>
<p>One of my very first principals taught me a valuable lesson about working with &#8220;difficult&#8221; students. He passed away on Friday so I&#8217;ve been thinking about him a lot this weekend. The thing that stands out most in my mind about his leadership style was his emphasis on the student. At times frustrating, at times incomprehensible, his message was always consistent. The answer to a student&#8217;s misbehaviour, poor attitude, or lack of achievement is within the student&#8230;the curriculum is within the student&#8230;the way to success can be found within the student&#8230; So what the heck does that mean?</p>
<p>I think it ties directly to what you already said: &#8220;They feel no one is listening to them&#8221;. Furthermore, everything in school is &#8220;done&#8221; to them &#8211; rules, rewards, punishments, assignments, marks, passing, failing&#8230;</p>
<p>One would hope that learning to use, combine, design and create media products would be a &#8220;carrot&#8221; to bring the students closer to enthusiastic response/engaged learning. I think part of the problem is that although the &#8220;carrot&#8221; may be new and desirable, the same old &#8220;stick&#8221; is lurking in the background. </p>
<p>Why are they doing this? You are assigning it.<br />
Who are they doing it for? You.<br />
What&#8217;s the risk? They are being asked to take a &#8220;topic that they have a passion about&#8221;, and create a product that will be judged. If the product is found &#8220;wanting&#8221;, are their ideas, feelings, passions &#8220;wanting&#8221;?<br />
What&#8217;s the payoff? A mark.</p>
<p>Could this become an &#8220;un-assignment&#8221;, where maybe every person in the class ends up with a completely different performance assessment?<br />
Could the whole process be designed collaboratively with the students from the ground up? </p>
<p>With the students:<br />
-Talk about what you&#8217;ve been learning in class. Identify/ break down the skill set.<br />
-Discuss all the possible ways to demonstrate mastery of the skill set.<br />
-Identify potential mentors/experts to help out. Create a plan for contacting/engaging the services of those mentors.<br />
-Identify audiences for performance assessments/ products that would appeal to chosen audiences/ ways to reach target audiences.<br />
-Describe success. What does it look like? What are the criteria? Even if the &#8220;wheels fall off&#8221; and an end product is not achieved, how can evidence of learning be identified?<br />
-How will the results be communicated? This is the hardest part, because the part of this process that is out of everyone&#8217;s control is the report card. So, I guess the guiding question would be, how can we translate the results in a way that is compatible with the report card?</p>
<p>I suspect if you hit the students with all of these questions at once, you&#8217;ll be greated with the same apathy, (man, this sounds like even more work). Are any of these ideas helpful?</p>
<p>Good luck with the class, and let us know what happens.</p>
<p>Diane</p>
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		<title>By: Janet Clarey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Janet Clarey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Apr 2007 19:40:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Kelly-
It seems like you&#039;re doing everything you can to get this group going.

Do you think they are finding enough relevance in the content? What does their day look like outside of school? What do they do when they get home? If they&#039;re a bunch of gaming types, can they do something around that?  Perhaps there is some way to tie the lesson the their lives. 

Or, perhaps they lack confidence. Are they put in any situations that might embarrass? Is there any type of reward you could offer them? 

Ugh. And I thought motivating adults was hard. Just need to provide some incentive and we were off an running. Good luck. Love what you&#039;re doing in class!
The 80s hair bands must&#039;ve got a chuckle, no?

Janet</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Kelly-<br />
It seems like you&#8217;re doing everything you can to get this group going.</p>
<p>Do you think they are finding enough relevance in the content? What does their day look like outside of school? What do they do when they get home? If they&#8217;re a bunch of gaming types, can they do something around that?  Perhaps there is some way to tie the lesson the their lives. </p>
<p>Or, perhaps they lack confidence. Are they put in any situations that might embarrass? Is there any type of reward you could offer them? </p>
<p>Ugh. And I thought motivating adults was hard. Just need to provide some incentive and we were off an running. Good luck. Love what you&#8217;re doing in class!<br />
The 80s hair bands must&#8217;ve got a chuckle, no?</p>
<p>Janet</p>
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		<title>By: Pam Shoemaker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pam Shoemaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Apr 2007 01:34:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I applaud you for your efforts!  Maybe a documentary is too much for them to handle.  Maybe starting with a smaller project would help?  A 30 second commercial?  Which group can create the most creative commercial?  Good luck and keep trying!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I applaud you for your efforts!  Maybe a documentary is too much for them to handle.  Maybe starting with a smaller project would help?  A 30 second commercial?  Which group can create the most creative commercial?  Good luck and keep trying!</p>
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